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April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:50:00 - [1] Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 21:50:41 I know they are awesome ships, but I think CCP needs to recheck them, in particular that "Infinite Point Tackle" script. Not only WCStabs were rendered useless with the appearance of Heavy Interdictors (Originally intended to tackle Capital Ships, they are as common as interceptors nowadays). Not only WCStabs were rendered useless but the whole Blockade Runner class as well. So CCP is encouraging the use of alts to scout possible gatecamps (since it's now the only viable option) or either they should do a reality check for Heavy Interdictors.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:54:00 - [2] I'd love WCStabs to be removed from the game. You have my support. But a whole ship class such as Blockade Runners?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 21:58:00 - [3] Yep. CCP is contradicting themselves by having something called "Blockade Runners" that can't run any blockade at all nowadays.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:01:00 - [4] Put at least 4 Scan Resolution Sensor Boosters on an Onix and you have a faster locking time than most interceptors.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:01:00 - [5] And 0.0 is out of the question. I'm talking about low.sec only (hence why I referred to the Infinite Point script).
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:04:00 - [6] I think a good solution would be to give them instead of "Infinite Points" only a single point that can work on capitals. Doesn't sound like a good solution?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:05:00 - [7] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: April Knox Put at least 4 Scan Resolution Sensor Boosters on an Onix and you have a faster locking time than most interceptors. Be constructive please. I'm trying to make this game a better one. You are too fond of your HIC.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:08:00 - [8] I'm being constructive and giving possible solutions Miss. What are you doing that can be referred as constructive?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:09:00 - [9] Why not? Can you give me some reasons?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: April Knox Why not? Can you give me some reasons? Because the HIC is there to also counter the 5 WCS fitted Ravens. Besides, there's nothing wrong with them as it stands. Its not as though blockade runners can't outrun anything that can possibly gatecamp them. -Liang So the reason of HICs to exist is to counter 5WCS fitted ravens? What can such a ship do against someone? Target his own nose? CCP stated that HICs were introduced to tackle capitals, that's their main role at which they already excel.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:21:00 - [11] I'm not asking for a nerf Miss. I'm asking for a reality check after they are introduced and see how people is using them. Same thing happened with the regular dictors now aggressing when they drop a bubble. Do you think that was a nerf?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:26:00 - [12] I'm amazed you blame game mechanics as the reason why you get your kills. That can describe you as an exploiter instead of a good pvper.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:28:00 - [13] Anyhow, I just started this post to get new perspectives and a constructive discussion on how the new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used, not a forum fight. New inputs will be appreciated.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/03/2008 22:31:43 Well, you kindof ignored my inputs because they didn't suit your point of view. You're looking to nerf heavy interdictors so that you can fly around "safe" in your blockade runner. Most blockade runners that I've talked to simply are not worried about running into a HIC (well, not worried any more than they are when they jump into any gatecamp). -Liang I did not ignore your input Miss. I hardly ever fly a crane, only now and then to haul stuff for carrier jumps. I'm mainly a ceptor pilot and couldn't care less. What I'm concerned about is CCP rendering whole Ship classes useless. (Read Assault Frigs in some cases). Anyhow, I just started this post to get new perspectives and a constructive discussion on how the new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used, not a forum fight. New inputs will be appreciated.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:44:00 - [15] Edited by: April Knox on 23/03/2008 22:44:52 I would like to stress that I'm not after a nerf. I only want a reality check about the way new deployed Heavy Interdictors are being used. Such reality checks should be done in every new ship class introduced. New inputs will be appreciated. Edit: Typos.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 22:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton there was a very nice news post that went over exactly how hics were being used. normally news posts are LOL or meh, but this was woo! Would you mind posting the url Mister?
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Noisrevbus This discussion have two opposing arguements that are floating out to complete extremes now. There's no denying that the H-Dictors revolutionarily changed the playing field for lowsec logistics, completely shifting the balance between predator and prey, and should be every pirate's wet dream. At the same time you should ask the question if this shouldn't be the case. EVE is not a solo game, and numbers should mean something. If you look overall at the H-D (and overlook all discussion about wether the sole intention was to tackle capitals drifting into empire or not) i find the new strategic options they provided to be exciting and mostly balanced overall. Numbers should mean something, and specializing a group into something should be enough to catch solo players, even if they too invest heavily into their ambition. Can you make a group that is very difficult to outrun based around a H-D? Yes you can. Is it a blockade runners nightmare? Yes it is. There is however not a given chance of catching even the fastest ships, possibly not even a good one. There is on the other hand no longer a good chance to outrun it either - which means both 'sides' invest heavily into one factor and none come up with a very reliable efficiency. That equal into good balance in my eyes, a 50/50 relation - only that neither side consider 50% to be reliable enough when investing so heavily into a single factor. A lone runner still have a decent chance, just not a good chance. A runner with a scout (or other forms of advance intel) still have a good chance - against a remote boosted H-D blockade. Good contribution Mr. Noisrevbus. This is the kind of arguments I wanted to hear. The people above assumed I wanted a nerf (which I do not) but instead a discussion and reality check. Your contribution is awesome.
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/03/2008 23:12:18 So tell me what part of this isn't asking for HICs to be nerfed? Don't you only offer "solutions" if there's a "problem"? -Liang Mr. Noisrevbus argument convinced me, while yours did not
April Knox COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.03.23 23:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Bodhisattvas Originally by: April Knox Yep. CCP is contradicting themselves by having something called "Blockade Runners" that can't run any blockade at all nowadays. Why have you guys always got to exaggerate to prove a point. When in fact the only thing you manage to prove is your inexperiance on any choosen subject. Low sec high sec any blockade runner pilot with the appropiate skills and modules will not get caught running gates. As described on forums previously, anyone wanting to run a gate merely needs inertia mods on low a mwd and a cloak to bypass even the biggest of camps. I admit it, I exaggerated. Again, I stated I'm not a hundredth percent BR pilot myself, I fly ceptors 99% of the time. That's why I was asking for perspectives and comments, both on how to counter HICs and how people are using them. That was the original point of this post. And Noisrevbus post was highly constructive.

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